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November 1999 Nov. 1, 1999 The Tanner's case is a prime example of what the copyright law is established for, the copyright law including the fair use section of such. The church is silly to fight with the copyright law something that the copyright law allows. It is pure intimidation. Of specific interest might be, on the URL referred, Maxtone-Graham v. Burtchaell, 803 F.2d 1253 (2d Cir. 1986), cert. denied, 481 U.S. 1059 (1987) in which the copyright owner refused permission to use his work, and the person used it anyway, and it was defended by the fair use because it was used specifically to present an opposing view. Nov. 1, 1999 I read an article in the paper yestreday which said that you guys are basically throwing in the towel. [Sandra's note- We are not throwing in the towel--we just agreed to not post chapter 10 while the lawsuit is pending. Since the handbook is available elsewhere in its entirety, it didn't seem to matter if we continued to post our excerpts. Stay tuned--it isn’t over yet.] Nov. 1, 1999 Praise God for the work He is doing through the Lighthouse ministry! You are in our prayers. My husband was raised in the LDS church and was saved 5 years after we were married. I had taken an interest in the mormon church due to my husband's family and some very dear friends of mine. I spent 3 years examining the doctrines of the church and through this study and prayer God showed me the way of salvation through Jesus Christ by giving me the desire to study and the understanding of His Word, the Bible. My husband, after seeing the changes God had done in me, also picked up the Bible and began to read. God gave him understanding and he too was saved by the grace of God. Your work exposing the false teachings/teachers etc. of mormonism is critical and we thank God for it! You have laid the ground work for many other ministries who seek to bring those caught in the tangled web of the LDS church to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding in all thy ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path." Proverbs 3:5 Keep on trusting and following our Lord in the work He has prepared for you. God bless you! Nov. 1, 1999 Sandra, As expected, the cat is out of the bag and Mormons everywhere can thank the intelligent law team going after you. You'd think if they had a prophet guiding their church they would have known the power of the Internet. Whatever you try to silence nowadays will immediately become global. When will they learn that the backward days of Nauvoo are long gone? You're in our prayers. Keep us in prayer. Nov. 2, 1999 Your cavalier use of copywrited material goes to your lack of integrity. Do you consider all your books and other material to be proprietary? Or is it all up for grabs? Would you mind forgoing the sale of one or all of your books by someone postings the contents on the Web? [Web-editor: We already have. See our Online Books section.] Nov. 2, 1999 Greetings in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ! It is good to hear that you are Alive (in Christ) and healthy and still letting the LDS church trip itself up in the news. It's nice when they do the work for you! I just hope the legal expenses aren't knocking you over. I just want to thank you for your perseverance and ongoing commitment to truth. I support you in prayer and hopefully in deed. Peace Be To You! Nov. 3, 1999 I thought that the court case was a bit weak:-) I have a copy from an Australian site which I have started to print up: I also have a copy on my hard drive. I wonder, will they come knocking at my door. Be a laugh if they did as only the hungry missionaries seem to come knocking here:-) Not the active ones:-) Nov. 3, 1999 You are both in my prayers and the prayers of so many on Mormons In Transition (http://www.irr.org/mit/resource.html) support forum. Nov. 3, 1999 Mystery, Mind-Control and the MORMON CHURCH! That old struggle to domineer! The LDS hierarchy is trying to silence Christians through a weak point of censorship. The news likened it to Goliath (the Philestine) challenging David (God's servant). When Gerald and Sandra Tanner discovered that secret panel to escape from the dark cave of Mormonism, they left a sign pointing to safety and lit a candle to light the way! The Tanners posted one of the great, dark secrets of Mormonism - how to remove your name from it's roles. As legal proceedings continue, the information is removed from the Utah Lighthouse Ministry website. Watch for more developments at: http://www.utlm.org/ Friend, you should be allowed to think for yourself! How can people leave a church that is using cultic mind-control? Christian Churches give the steps for leaving their roles right in the constitution. It is public information. Where there is liberty there is nothing to hide! It does not naturally affect your past LDS membership, even if you are a Christian faithfully serving the Lord. Have you requested to have your name removed from the roles? Below is some very helpful information to help you or else to pass on to those leaving Mormonism. You might like to follow this well-written exit letter provided at the website for "Recovery from Mormonism": http://www.exmormon.org/whylft12.htm - - - - - - - - - - A Good Exit Letter to Have Your Name Removed from the Mormon Church President R G. C. _________ Stake _________, WA Dear President ______________, This letter is being sent to inform you that we are officially requesting that our names, and the names of our children, be removed from the records of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. This request is being made after many years of soul-searching, and studying on our part. We did not easily come to this decision, and in fact have found it to be one of the most difficult decisions of our lives. We have a deep love and gratitude for many friends and family that are still members of the church, and wish to make it very clear that we are not leaving because of hurt feelings, or being offended by anyone in the church. We have had to base our decision on our faith in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and our intellect. This decision is being made freely on our art, and with a full knowledge of what the LDS church teaches the consequences of making a decision like this are. We insist that our records, and the letter notifying us that our names have been removed from the church records, show that the only reason why our names have been removed, is that we requested it to be so. We also insist that the word excommunication not be used in the church records, or in the letter notifying us of this action. We would not hesitate to take legal action against the church if anything is done to slander our good names, or if members of this stake are given the impression that we left because of immorality. Please understand that we are taking this action because it has been proven to us that Mormonism is false, and does not teach correct doctrine according to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Some of the doctrinal problems we have investigated are: 1. We do not believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, or that he received direct revelation from God. We also believe that we will be judged someday according to our faith in the Savior, not Joseph Smith. We believe that he taught false doctrine, and that he has led many good people astray, and away from the true teachings of Jesus Christ that are taught in the Bible. 2. We are convinced that the Book of Mormon is not of divine origin, except for the verses that are plagarized from the Bible. We do not believe that Joseph Smith translated any part of the Book of Mormon, and that it is nothing more than a contrived document. 3. We are convinced that the Pearl of Great Price (particularly the Book of Abraham) is a pure work of deceit and fraud. It became apparent to leaders of the church that the papyrus that Joseph Smith translated into the Book of Abraham, was nothing more than Egyptian funeral documents, yet they continued to claim that the book was of divine origin. This fact has been hidden from members of the church for many years. 4. We are certain that the Doctrine and Covenants is also false, and has been changed and rewritten so many times, that Saints today have no clue what some of the false doctrines that Joseph Smith taught really were. 5. We are convinced that polygamy is a wicked principle that is taught by the church, and that it is demeaning and devastating to women. We are also convinced that it was an excuse for Joseph Smith to commit adultery, since he practiced it for at least 10 years prior to the 1843 "revelation". 6. We are convinced that, on the whole, the LDS church has made serious and substantial changes to all of their scriptures, and most of church history. We believe that this has been done to satisfy and comfort its members, to hide doctrinal errors, and to protect some leaders from exposure to their moral failures. 7. We are convinced that men and women are not treated equally in the LDS church, that women's issues are ignored, and that women are truly made to feel like second class citizens. LDS doctrine is completely offensive to women, and could not possibly be pleasing in God's eyes. We are also convinced that depression among women in the LDS church is rampant, and always ignored by church leaders. The impression is given that any LDS woman who is depressed, must not be living the gospel. 8. We believe that the the often quoted statement, "The glory of God is intelligence", is completely contradictory to what the church truly teaches about members increasing their intellect. Free thought is discouraged, and members are told what to read, when to pray, how to pray, and what to think. 9. We do not believe that God was once a man, that he lived on a planet similar to Earth, and that through his righteousness he became a God. Furthermore, we do not believe that men on this Earth can someday become Gods. According to the bible, God has always been God, and is "from everlasting to everlasting". These are just a few of our major issues with the doctrine of the LDS church. We could write many more pages of other problems that we have with the doctrine, but I'm sure that our point has been made very clear. WE DO NOT WISH TO REMAIN MEMBERS OF A CHURCH THAT IS BASED ON FRAUD AND LIES! In closing, we wish to tell you our greatest reason for leaving the LDS church. Our six beautiful children! We do not want our children to grow up in an oppressive religion that dictates every aspect of their lives, and teaches them that men are superior to women. We know that we can raise good, moral children outside of Mormonism, and teach them integrity and the most important of Christ's teachings: The love of their fellowman. The LDS church does not own the patent to teaching these important values. Our greatest hope in doing this, besides our own happiness, is the goal of having our children reach their full potential. If our daughters reach their full potential in this life, and our sons become better men, who respect and treat women with the dignity that they deserve, then our goal will be accomplished. We ask that you please respect our request to have our names removed immediately, and be aware that we will not welcome any visits from missionaries, home teachers, visiting teachers, bishopric or stake presidency members. Our decision is final in this matter, and any missionary efforts on the part of the LDS church, will be considered an invasion of our privacy. With Respect, CC - Bishop _______ This is a recent exit letter used by a family in the Pacific Northwest. It is important when writing your letter that you write to the home addresses of the Bishop and Stake President and have your minor children also sign the letter. You will get a notice that you have 30 days to change your mind. That is it. There is no further correspondence if the Stake president and Bishop do their jobs. It is all very anti-climatic. - - - - - - - - - - Further guidance from the Recovery from Mormonism website includes:
Recovery from Mormonism http://www.exmormon.org/whylft12.htm - - - - - - - - - - RELATED SITES AND INFORMATION - "Why I Left Mormonism" Ex-Mormons: Why We Left EXODUS - the process of leaving Egypt Instructions for Resignation Letter Out of Mormonism and into Christianity Leaving Mormonism Mentoring by Former Mormons Are you willing to objectively study the Mormon faith? Skeptics investigating the Bible often turn to Christianity, while Mormons digging into the history of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon often leave Mormonism. Check it out! Email to friends. Photocopy for distribution. Nov. 3, 1999 Dear Sandra, I can't thank the Ogden Standard Examiner enough for publishing your web site address. I got wind of your legal struggle with the LDS when I was looking at the paper on the internet. I was aware of your Lighthouse Ministeries while living in Utah, but never had the opportunity to visit you in person. We do own a copy of your "big blue book" and it certainly has been helpful to us in learning about the mormons. After 17 and half years in the Ogden area we moved last summer to my home state of Arkansas. Utah is a beautiful state, but the local church and culture are hard to deal with if you are not one of them. We are Christian. I wouldn't take anything for what I learned while in Utah, and living there certainly strengthened my faith. But the move here has been a breath of fresh air for our children. A big thanks for all you do and I know this is not an easy thing to endure. I really think that the actions the LDS church has taken against you has done them more harm than good. It has certainly given you alot of free publicity and helped me find you again. Thanks again and I will continue to send up prayers for you and your work. Nov. 4, 1999 hang in there so many of us DO support your beliefs and the right to put anything you want on your site Nov. 5, 1999 Mr. and Mrs. Tanner, Hi, my name's Kevin, I'm a 20 year old (well, in a few days) man in Washington state. Once I saw your email address on your webpage, I wanted to write you to get something out from the bottom of my heart. I wanted to personally thank you both for being what you are.. there is nobody in recorded history has done so much or worked so hard to get the truth out about the LDS Church as you two; and the world owes you both a tremendous amount for everything you've done. The things you learned and brought to light have sparked outreach ministries, confused and stunned missionaries worldwide, and saved thousands of souls from the Church.. and it means a great deal to me, too. Don't ever lose faith in what you do. Thank you so much. Nov. 6, 1999 Sandra, Just wanted to say "way to go" . It Looks like you are realy getting to the Bretheren with the article you published on removing a name from the records of the church. And just for spite, I down loaded the entire manual from another site. Lets see if the church wants to take me to court here in Northern British Columbia. I dont know how you and gerald get the time to set up your fantistic web site but I realy love it and use it for referance, wherever I get stuck on something. This all started back in the mid 80;s when as a branch President someone mailed me a copy of Shadow or Reality, If you have any ideas on how I can take this a step further, and start to warn and help others to see the real "Truth" I would be most interested to hear, what ever you might have to say. Nov. 6, 1999 i searched your site because of the articles in the paper recently. what a delightful three hours i have just spent reading on your site. please subscribe me to your news letter. . . . i am also going to send a contribution to hopefully help with you legal bills, or what ever else you can use the money on. i admire your work immensely. Nov. 6, 1999 The LDS attempt to censor you brought you to my attention. While I applaud your efforts and will vigorously support you, I am dismayed to note that you are not preparing for the future. Clearly, your efforts should be continued after your retirement. The freshness of your efforts provides a vitality that will be forever lost if you become known as some people who fifty years ago (spoken fifty years hence) had something to say. Please create a foundation capable of continuing this marvelous work. I am confident that you have God's bleesings. Nov. 6, 1999 This whole thing gets more "curiouser and curiouser." Based on this morning's Tribune article, I see that IRI now claims that "Inducing or contributing to someone else's infringement is infringing also," pointing out that your website contains links where visitors can find the CHBI on-line. The article also states that "IRI is evaluating whether it will take legal action against others alegedly violating the copyright." The important question this raises is: If IRI is going after those who have "infringed" on their copyright. Why don't they go after the Salt Lake Tribune? Sheila McCann's article of October 10, 1999 states, ". . . the entire book, about 160 pages, is posted at ________ and else where, said their attorney, Brian Barnard." If IRI attorneys argue that this article simply quotes Mr. Barnard, maybe you should remove your direct links to websites, and instead, make the link to any site as part of a quote. For instance, post the quote from the Tribune above, and make "________," found in the quote, a link. If they sue you for printing a quote from the Salt Lake Tribune, it seems to me that they would also have to sue the Tribune, from which you would only be quoting. [Web-editor: Note- there is a technical difference between a link and a webpage address. We did not "link" to the site in Australia or any other containing whole or part of the Handbook. We did post email that contained addresses to those webpages (example- http://www.utlm.org/navemail.htm). A link contains HTML encoding to request a webpage when it is activated (clicked on), either from within the current site or outside it. An address to a webpage is just text.] Nov. 8, 1999 I have heard lately that there is quite a controversy over the church handbook of instructions. What is in this that is so damaging to the Mormons and has brought up all the talk? Nov. 8, 1999 Please help!!! My husband and I have not been to church since we were 12 years old; however, the stalking and harrassment continue. Every time we move, the mormons are at our door, in our mail, etc. I find it quite bizzare that the LDS Church can locate us before our creditors even know we have moved. I have been trying diligently for 6 months now to get our names removed from the LDS records, and have continued to be unsucessful. I wrote a letter to the bishop, with a copy to the membership records department requesting that our names be removed from their records and that all contact be discontinued. I even threatened legal action if they continued to harrass us. I have a constitutional right to freedom of religion---I do not choose their religion, yet they keep harrassing us. I received a letter from the church membership records office stating that the bishop needed to handle this matter (with a cute little ending, "Due to the EXTERNAL consequences of such action, we ask that you reconsider your decision). I have not heard from the bishop and continue to recieve home teaching messages and relief society messages monthly. I have contacted the bishop at his home and left telephone messages on 6 occasions. He will not return my calls. IS THERE REALLY ANY LEGAL ACTION I CAN TAKE IN THIS MATTER? I WOULD LOVE TO SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS. PLEASE HELP. Thanks so much for what you are doing. Some of us feel like we have no place to turn. Nov. 9, 1999 Keep on doing what you are doing. There are lots of us behind you. I was born and raised and have lived all my 42 years here in Utah as a Christian (non-Mormon). It has not been easy since most Utah LDS people are very judgemental and hateful to non-Mormons. They are so mixed up thinking as they do that they are future gods and that they can work their way to heaven. Thanks again for all your good work. Nov. 9, 1999 I downloaded the LDS church handbook from ________ on the internet. I ended up needing to copy it one section at a time and put them all separately just because my computer would take so long to make any correction when the document was intact. I was wondering why the LDS church has objected to having the handbook on the internet; Is the document potentially embarrasing or controversial? I have been going through the section on church discipline, and it has been very interesting to see how they approach the subject. Is the issue the LDS church has with you strictly a copyright matter? . . . I am hopeful the case against you will be tossed out of court. Nov. 9, 1999 I received this anonymous letter in response to my letter to the Salt Lake Tribune. I do not know if it is of any value to you or not , with your problems. ON FILE (quote) "Dear Mr. Wilkins: Having read your letter in the Deseret News, regarding the LDS Suite against the "Tanners", I had to let you know what a JERK you are! (the person can't remember what paper they read) Obvoisly you are not a meember of the LDS Church, or maybe you were like the Tanners were? You obviously know little about the church or have done some research by your comments in the letter. Unfortunately in your blind hatred of the church you can't find the good form the bad. I would like to make one correction in your letter and this is often a misquoted statement, you said the "LDS is the only true church". Often I have heard members say this and they are wrong to say it. We are not the only true church, we are the church that has all the truths necessary for us to return to our Father in Heaven. All Churches have truths in them but only one has the full truth. We are not the only church that says the Gospel has been polluted, and that the Bible has been miss-transelated. I think that it has been found by others that there are over 4000 errors in the bible relating to translation and historical facts. Check with the Baptist. They are divided over accepting the bible literally or not. Your statement about Emma and Polygamy is laughable. But that is to be expected form people who are blind and full of hate. Obviously you live in the wrong place you need to move to some desert island where you can believe what you want to believe and where the MORMONS, will not get you! In case you haven't realized it, THIS MORMON COUNTRY. this state was settled by Mormons and we still like to think that it belongs exclusively to Mormons, SO GET OUT OF IT AND GO WHERE YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WE WILL NOT MISS YOU, AND TAKE THE "TANNERS" WITH YOU! I have tried you other religions and I promise you they just don't have it and they are not worth the effort". (end of quote) No name [Web-editor: Below is Mr. Wilkins letter to the editor - SL Trib] Vindictive Suit? Friday, November 5, 1999 I do not know legal ramifications of copying from the Internet, the media, and other forms of information. It seems to me the LDS Church is going out of its way to sue Jerald and Sandra Tanner over posting information from an internal church handbook on the Internet. Would the LDS Church sue the "media" for the so-called offense? I have known the Tanners for several years. They are fine Christians who tell it like it is. The problem is the LDS Church cannot stand the truth. It is too bad us Christians cannot demand the LDS Church "cease and desist" claiming the Christians have no authority; that the LDS Church is the only "true church;" that the "first century Christians" corrupted the "Gospel;" claiming the Bible is not translated correctly; claiming Jesus Christ threatened Emma in Doctrine and Covenants Section 132 if she did not go along with Joseph Smith's polygamy, all on Joseph Smith's word, without one piece of documentation. No "separation of church and state" when it comes to our children in school by asking who is LDS or not in the classroom, etc. On and on. LOUIS WILKINS Nov. 9, 1999 Dear Sandra, I just wanted to say thank you for maintaining this website where one can find uncensored information regarding the church and it's efforts to keep it's members "in line", brainwashed and unable to think for themselves. I call it the "Mormon Guilt", and know it is instilled in members from birth. I was a fifth generation Utah Morman, having been baptized at the customary 8 years of age. Although my name still appears or their records, it really is not a big issue with me as for all intents and purposes I left the church at age 15, when I was fortunate enough to move out of the state and discovered that there are a lot of wonderful people in the world from many different faiths. I have researched your site, along with others, and have really had my eyes opened. I find it difficult to believe that any thinking person can believe the doctrine they preach. One does not have to be of a particular faith to be a good person, and live according to the teachings of Christ. Keep up this wonderful work you are doing, and know that you really are making a difference in the lives of others. God Bless You. Nov. 10, 1999 Have been watching all the interesting facts creep up in the news and the papers lately about the LDS church trying to sue you. They haven't a leg to stand on. I've enjoyed your works for years and support you in all your efforts twards truth and the true light of Christ. Thank you for being such a great voice in so much darkness. Nov. 10, 1999 Dear Sandra, Hi, I am a native of Neraska, and have lived in SLC for the past 15 yrs, it has been quite an experience. I have had the good fortune of being exposed to your informative book store for about a year now.(I wished I"d known of it earlier) I guess in short what I'm trying to say is this. Everyone must know what the mormon church is really based on and what the early doctrines covey. I don't understand why the mormon church is trying to say mormonism is Christianity (which its not), I hear the mormon church is the fastest growing church in america, Is this true? I don't think it would be if the real truth be known. Nov. 10, 1999 Having seen a couple of news reports about the Church Handbook of Instructions, I became curious about what the LDS Church was trying to hide. When I checked out your website, you had already removed the so-called "offending" material. Nevertheless, I found your website very interesting. It is reassuring that in this state, there are committed people like you who provide a source for another perspective on the dominant religion (or social force.) Nov. 10, 1999 Dear brothers and sisters: Thank you so much for providing a website such as yours on the Internet. It strengthens my testimony so much concerning the truthfulness of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. If the Church were false, there simply would not be near as many negative or hostile websites such as yours on the Internet. Why? Because Satan would not be concerned about the influence that this Church has upon the world. Sadly, Satan has influenced your spirit to do his battle against the Lord's true gospel sustained by the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. Think about it, why do the negative websites which attack the LDS Church far out number negative websites which attack other faiths? Because Satan knows which is Jesus Christ's true Church on this earth and his war is waged against this church. As hostility increases against the LDS Church, testimonies of the members within are actually strengthened because Satan knows and has revealed to us, through his efforts, the identity of the true Church by the immense war which he is waging against this Church. His recruitment of your souls was successful. Thank you for your efforts. I term those efforts a complete "backfire". I pray that your spirit will be touched by the His spirit so that you may realize your current position in the adversaries army - doing battle against the Lord's plan of salvation in these latter days. Nov. 10, 1999 Good luck with the court case, it is amazing to me that people here in Utah wouldn't question why you are being pursued so relentlessly by the mormon church. God bless Nov. 10, 1999 your newsletters helped me get free from my doubts about leaving the church! i would have defended the church to the death a year ago. i was so involved in the lies...i defended the lies when i was confronted! now i have the truth and i am soooo glad you have made all of this history available. Nov. 10, 1999 "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord" (Isaiah 54:17). I think this is going to blow up in the face of the LDS church. God is only going to use it to spread His ministry through you. Nevertheless, if they do rule against you I will send you a personal donation to help and solicit others to do the same. Meanwhile, I am praying for you both. Nov. 11, 1999 I feel so very sorry for both of you and for those who have been duped by you. To deny truth and flaunt it. As so many who have gone before, your reward will come. Nov. 11, 1999 just a thank you for providing the information on how to remove my name from the LDS records. I've been wanting to do such a thing for about 10 years now.....but, didn't know EXACTLY how to write the letter. also, a question....Can the LDS church speak to anyone (e.i. family members) about my intent, can they give that type of information out? I would like to keep this private, for the sake of my mother's and grandmother's mental health. I mentioned my intent once to my mother and it was frightening to see the change in her and our relationship. Nov. 11, 1999 It is true that Satan controls most of today's media. Your web page is just another example of this. I guess my only question for you about "Mormonism" is, Have you ever taken an objective look at it? Have you ever really prayed openmindedly about it? Or have you simply second guessed the Lord about where His truth is found. Don't bother asking me the same. It is true. I know it is. You can tell me all you want trying to sway my knowledge, but the Spirit speaks truth. If your organization is like most other religions, you speak only what is popular and what will bring in money. I think you realize what you preach is partially true, but it contains errors as well. God still loves mankind, despite it's continual movement away from Him. That is why His Church is still alive and filling the whole earth today. I'll leave it to you to find it. If you want help, ask God. Chances are He'll send his messengers to you as an answer to SINCERE prayer. Absolute truth cannot be changed nor swayed. Nov. 11, 1999 I just wanted to say that it is appreciated that you are providing this service on the Web. Information needs to get out about what the Mormons really believe; and the "foundations" of the "religion". I'm new to this area (from Washington state) in the last year-and -a-half; and am just beginning to realize what they really stand for. They are not Christian; they are Mormanism. These poor people who have been duped and brainwashed about the LDS beliefs need lots of prayer and light. . . . Again, appreciate you availing of this information, and pray your court battles with the LDS "church" will stand up, and be the guiding light for all those wayward souls. God bless! Nov. 11, 1999 Jesus had his detractors, so I guess it's no surprise that his church does as well. I wish you well in your pursuit of truth. I am confident that when push comes to shove you will realize that it does not good to "kick against the pricks," as the Bible tells us. I look forward to the joy you will encounter when you accept the Lord's witness that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Christ's one true church upon the face of the earth. Nov. 11, 1999 Subject: I must be missing something Portion of article in the trib this morning: IRI cites an announcement on the Tanners' Web site that reads: "Church Handbook of Instruction is back online!" The site includes Internet addresses at which the entire book or portions of it can be obtained. Excuse me, I obtained my copy of the "church handbook" from a web site I found in a SLC tribune article. Not from the Tanners or anyone else. So why aren't they sueing the Trib as well. Keep up the good work, you two. Someone needs to keep an eye on that seedy group of mormonites. Nov. 11, 1999 I have a strong belief that we are all entitled to our own opinions, but you seem to think that yours matters most. Publishing what you publish, and infringing copyright laws, only shows what kind of people you are. I just feel sorry for your children, if you have any. They grow up thinking they have to get involved in something that has nothing to do with them, over 100 years ago. Live and let live, that is what I say. Nov. 11, 1999 Just a quick note to let you know we are praying for you in this latest of battles that are always ongoing in some form or other. We are confident that the Lord and you will come out winners. Nov. 11, 1999 I'm very sorry for you. I don't understand where all your hate comes from? I will pray for you and your salvation. Thank you for strengthing my testimony. I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints IS TRUE. Nov. 11, 1999 Subject: Recent LDS legal action Dear Sandra, Have only heard bits and pieces of the your recent controversy with the LDS church over helping people remove their names from the church. I believe that this 'negative' publicity with only spark more interest in LDS folks to check out your web-site and learn for themselves. We are praying to this end. ... We appreciate your ministry and your attitude toward the truth of the gospel. . . kind and uncompromising. Nov. 11, 1999 You people are SICK! Nov. 11, 1999 Well this old Dog continlues to learn new tricks and I just got on the Inter-Net. Last night heard an interview with a guy who just wrote a new book about the Mormons. [Web-editor: book--Mormon America] Not a company book, but he didn't sound anti. In the course of taking calls someone pluged your Web Site. Then the author mentioned that it was facinating to watch the law suit against that web site. WELL, I cranked up my new system and found your site. IT DOES SEEM YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN! Of course all you were doing is giving information any church would have open. But of course not our Mormon friends. So . . . and I will gear up our prayers for you guys. Whatever happens, it does seem the LDS went over the line and have given you more publicity than you could ever get (even in the Bay Area). Nov. 11, 1999 Who on Earth are you to answer questions on a faith that you obviously hate so much as to become obsessed with it? If people want to ask questions about what 'Mormons' believe they should ask a REAL member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Signed, A True, Blue Mormon (who, by the way IS a Christian)! Nov. 11, 1999 Thank you for allowing a forum for reply to your newsletter. You state that your newsletter exists to provide information only, and does not attempt to "disparage" those of the Mormon faith. Yet the text of your "newsletter" belies the above statements. From beginning to end it is filled with negative statements presented as facts. I wonder what your motivations were, to publish a newsletter which attempts to undermine the L.D.S. church's doctrine. The end purpose is transparently clear; what is not so clear is why anyone would spend so much energy piecing together such "evidence", unless there is an ulterior motive. If you do not agree with Mormonism, leave it alone. If it is not what it states it is, it will come to nothing of itself. But if it is the true Church, restored to the earth by Jesus Christ, which it proclaims itself to be, then neither you, nor any other individual(s) will stop its' progress. Your newsletter claims to be neutral. But if it looks like an anti-mormon propaganda sheet, smells like, and looks like one.... it's gotta be one... Do us a favor... go help at the shelter or volunteer to visit the sick... Spend your time constructivly, rather than in pursuits such as this... Nov. 12, 1999 Dear Gerald and Sandra, In our minds, your "day in court" puts you where you slip into the shadows of the man wearing camel hair. He too stands alone. God never sent smoke or sparks to warn the false prophets! The One who answers by fire and controls the rain, heard the short and humble prayers of His beloved servant. No one stays and no one hurries the God of Elijah - the God of the Tanners! As proceedings continue, remember as gavels may fall, the case is not closed! It will be reopened before the Judge of all the earth! May God use you as He used another hero of the faith, that the many deceived may turn from their little false gods and Baal's to cry out in surrender and adoration, "The LORD, he is God; the LORD, he is God!" Proud of you! Nov. 12, 1999 In the spirit of fairness, I think it would be a wise service to your readers/viewers to widen the scope of your investigations to include all religious groups and sects. As a member of the media, I have discovered that no religious organization is immune to abuses, apostasies, and other immoral or unethical behavior by its members. To single out one group (in this case the Mormons) is suspicious at best and points to a covert effort fueled by ulterior motives. Nov. 12, 1999 While the Mormons are engaging themselves in another "Nauvoo" type of opposition to dissent, their actions simply demonstrate how the descendants of Joseph Smith are still very much inclined to his behaviour. Smith, as you may recall, ordered the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor in 1844, which was a newspaper published by Mormon dissenters who made public their objections to Smith and his doctrines. As an after-effect, Smith was jailed and lost his life when the jail was besieged by a large crowd. Allegedly, it was a Mormon who shot Smith's brother, Hyrum, on that occasion. It was Smith's effort to stamp out freedom of dissenting information which triggered this tragic end to the Smiths' lives. Now, the offspring of Smith's Nauvoo, Illinois sect is following the same path of resistance. The LDS are attempting to silence Jerald and Sandra Tanner in regard to their informing the public on Mormonism. Nov. 12, 1999 It sounds like you have been set up to me. I have been praying that God will some day show the world the true colors of the LDS organization. I am not sure if this is an answer to my prayers, but some of the under belly of the beast has been revealed by this law suite. I am reading the whole manual now. I have not found anything (yet) that they would want to protect with a copyright. What could be the problem... unless they are out to just get the Tanners! God is surely with you, Nov. 13, 1999 Dear Tanner's, I was just reading all the emails sent in by people over the past 2 months since the IRI suit etc. started. It seems to me that you have many folks lifting you and your ministry up in prayer! Praise the Lord. I find in so interesting to read the "anti-anti letters". (IE: those letters written by "members" who are very disgruntled that anyone could possible find their "beloved church" false) It seems that as long as you agree with them, it's OK to have a web site or to voice your opinion. But to dare to disagree??? Oh the shame of it! You just must be a tool of Satan! Hmmm, could it be the other way around??? They are very attacking and ugly in their demeanor. Which just makes my heart go out to them all the more!! You know your site and all your years of indepth research is striking a cord in them! But unfortunately, they have been so indoctrinated to believe in the "ISM" that they are completely missing the chance to KNOW the ONE! God will surely bless you both! Nov. 13, 1999 Thank you for fighting for the truth! God bless you. Nov. 13, 1999 Subject: God is in control! I just read in our local paper the news of the court case. I think this could lead to a wonderful expansion of your ministry. It reminds me of the time some years ago when the North Africa Mission's coupons offering Bible correspondence courses offended the "powers" in Cairo, Egypt. They published a newspaper article commending it and ended with a copy of the notorious coupon that was to be destroyed on sight. Many enrollments resulted from that "advertisement". I believe this is going to happen in your case and that is why God has allowed it. Since the information is readily available online and can easily be found without any help from you, I am sure you will continue to cite "chapter and verse" where the particular items can be found. Phrases that would prove to be searchable keywords would help when using sites like <http://turboguide.com/cdprod1/cdhrec/003/307.shtml>, should it remain online. With resources like AltaVista, FastSearch and others, it only takes seconds find it, if it is out there. To me, it seems that the Church is caught between a rock and a hard place. If they restrict access to their publications, it works against their purposes, but if they do make them available, folks like you are going to be able to reference them, either directly or indirectly. I appreciate the tone of love portrayed on your site. Harsh words only build barriers. May God continue to bless you. Nov. 13, 1999 I want you to know we are standing with you in prayer over the harrassment and persecutioon from the LDS church... Naturally though, I am confident of our Lord's victory, which I am sure He will presently show, as well as confirm the condemnation of our enemies, even while we pray for their salvation. Nov. 13, 1999 I am sorry I did not find your web site until it was too late to read about how I can get my name removed from the church records. It has been fifty years since I left the Mormon church and joined another Christian church where I am now happily ensconced. I have talked to people "in authority," written many letters, and returned church notices stating "unknown" but to no avail. They continue to contact me. I consider this harassment. Nov. 13, 1999 I just read about the Injunction proceeding in the LA Times. . . . My gut thought says that copyright law is to protect commercial uses of writings, not privacy of gangs. As an ex-Mormon who was shown the light by your ministry I cannot imagine anything that you would publish that would not be fair use and protected free speech. Nov. 13, 1999 The Messenger has been a huge resource for me over the years. I think I've saved every copy....and pass them around to the students I work with. Over the years I've seen Mormon students come to Christ. I've also shared Christ with many Mormon missionaries. It's been my prayer goal to see a missionary come to Christ while on his mission....but that has not happened....YET. (In Mexico they won't be able to transfer the kids out that I share Christ with.) Thank you for putting your resources "on-line." This is such a great resource...and I can access it for Mexico. We've never met, but I think of you often and pray for you. Recently I saw where you are being sued by the church for a publication that was on your site for just a few hours. I will continue to pray. Thank you for all that you do for so many. I pray the Lord will richly bless your life. Nov. 13, 1999 You have been in the news as of late, and I have wondered for quite some time now, just why does the LDS religion, and others have secrets that they don't share with the rest of us? I myself am LDS, yet when I ask questions to the people who believe in the LDS faith for an answer the usual response is.( i.e.: why do you believe that the LDS faith is the true faith, the answer is always, I just know it is.). I don't read allot, but I do listen, and talk allot, trying to find out for myself, I think that allot of books are just someone else's thoughts on what they believe, But with you I figure if they are coming after you for what you had made available, then you must know some of the answers. Nov. 13, 1999 I wanted to write encouragement to you. I know we are constantly attacked when we serve the Lord. I will admit that some people are vindictive and do a bit of name calling, however I went to your site and found it wonderfully organized. Most of the ideas were politely and logically presented in an easy to understand manner. I was blessed in reading. I am a Jew who was misled into Mormonism, I later met and worshipped Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah and Savior! I demanded my "trial" to have my name removed because I was told I would be allowed to speak as long as I wanted in my defense. I am sure "excommunicated" is all over any church records, that carries no stigma for me. Nov. 14, 1999 I just recently learned of all the uproaor going on with you. Don't let the fools get you down and I hope you maintain your sanity and sense of humor through all of this. Despite the fact that you had to remove all links and references to the handbook, it was easy to find the Tribune article on Oct. 30 with the reference to ________ The SL people just don't realize that the world is full of so much info and once it is released anymore, it cannot be put back in the jar! I hope all is well with you and I want to say I have enjoyed the newsletters over the years. Now that I am online I can get your info much easier. Nov. 14, 1999 Subject: The truth will out! What could the General Authorities possibly hope to gain with their current law suit? When will they (and a host of other institutions) ever learn? Deal honestly and sagaciously with problems, and "Public Relations" becomes a small department, indeed. The hoped for public relations bonanza which the coming Olympics affords the church is becoming a well-deserved nightmare. Open up the archives! Tell the whole truth concerning the early church's origins! The church will survive.....albeit in a very changed form. But the attendant release of energy and talent with which the Mormon people are so graciously endowed will still be available and put to a more worthy use; the proclamation of the ONE true God and the salvation of the world through His son Jesus Christ! Enough of secrets, track covering, and the "sanitation" of history and current policy. Keep them on their toes, Tanners! The truth will out! Nov. 14, 1999 I was touched by your courageous stand in disclosing the Mormon's insiders' material so that people can be enlightened not to fall into their traps. I and my church will pray for you. Keep up the good work in our Lord Jesus Christ. May God bless you and your ministry! Nov. 14, 1999 I just want to say a big THANK YOU for the all the research that you have done over the years on Mormonism and now are making available on the internet. It has been such a help to have all this material available and to be able to use it with confidence. Nov. 14, 1999 Read with interest the account of the church's Law suit aginst you for publishing instructions on how to remove one's name from church records. Those desiring to do so should have more sense than to contact your organization in the first place. But I guess thats the point; they don't have the guts nor sense to handle it on thier own. Funny thing,, you and other organizations such as yours cry foul and freedom of the press, when you think your rights are being infringed upon, yet you don't mind doing your damndest to destroy the Mormon church with such nonsense as this. Such hypocrisy! A suggestion for you, how about attacking other religions, like Muslims or maybe Jews or Catholics with the same zeal as you do the Mormons? Should be plenty to choose from down there in the Salt Lake valley. The world no doubt be glad to hear about that too. Nov. 15, 1999 Subject: Lawsuit Dear Tanners, Thank you for the work you are doing. I am sure that even those who accuse you of hate are having seed planted in their lives by your work. Seed planting is not nearly as exciting as harvesting but God will bless you just the same! Nov. 15, 1999 I just moved here (SLC) in Aug. I am a Christian, . . . I want to become equiped to fight the battle here in Utah . I have heard of your ministry by CRI , Christian Research Insitute in California . . . GOD BLESS your efforts, you stay strong , for the road you travel is long and tough, but have faith that your works have done GREAT things for the kingdom of Christ our risen LORD (bodily of course). THANK YOU very much for existing. Nov. 16, 1999 Sandra and Jerold, I recently heard the truth of the atrocities that the fallen church of Jesus Christ have claimed. We are praying for their failure and the brilliant success in your suit against this blasphmious mistreatment of the legal system. It is truely a work of art orchastrated by the "Brethren." . . . Let us pray for help that only the savior can muster. His unsung eagles to protect the innocent ocupants who's christian love and caring will continue to bless the minds and souls that have been clouded by the vapors of smoke and lies that the LDS church continues to spew, packaging it behind the smile of a sunday school teacher. . . . Rest assured that there are many hunderds that rely upon the open and free thought that the "brethren" so harshly try to crush and make unavailable or despise openly so as to clog the line of free availability of knowledge to the people, just like the communists of an earlier time. Nov. 16, 1999 Hi sandra, gerald . . . I have a niece who is on her mission in the East Coast. I told her about your background she kinda doubted me at first, but then i send her some info i found on your web site and she now believes me that i am speaking with the great, great , grandaughter of Bringham Young. Anyway to make a long story short i have been using your web site for my studies about Mormonism and to say that it has helped me a lot would be an understatement. I have to tell you that it gives me great comfort to know that you, and your husband are there in case i need any help with a question. I pray for you guys frequently and i know that God has used and will continue to use the Ministry he has giving you for his glory. God has put it in my heart to contribute to your Ministry and i will be sending something soon. Anyway i just wanted to say thank you and to let you know how much your Ministry helps me. May God continue to shine his face on you and your love ones. from a sister in Christ. Nov. 17, 1999 Dear Sandra: I was once a former mormon (big mistake and a long story) and have written a formal letter to the membership office at the church building. I received a letter saying I had to go to the Bishop and request removal of my name from the membership records. I feel this is a redundant and completely unnecessary step. I have heard that you had a form somewhere on the Internet that would suffice in obtaining removal of my name from the church records. How do I obtain that form online? [Sandra's note: You cannot use a form letter. You must write your own letter but you can get some ideas from our page--How to Remove Your Name From the LDS Records] Nov. 17, 1999 From what I am hearing through the exmormon site, you seem to be having a little fun with the corporation. I am proud that an Aussie has contributed to frustrating their tactics. I sincerely hope that you are handling it all well. Nov. 17, 1999 I AM LOOKING FOR "THE CHURCH HANDBOOK OF INSTRUCTION" TO EDUCATE MYSELF ABOUT LDS PRACTICES. HAS IT BEEN TAKEN OFF YOUR WEBSITE BECAUSE OF PENDING LEGAL ACTION? IF SO, I'LL KEEP LOOKING. HANG IN THERE... YOU'RE DOING A GREAT PUBLIC SERVICE. ANY PHILOSOPHY/RELIGION CLOAKED IN SECRECY GENERALLY HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE . THANK YOU... Nov. 18, 1999 ...I have run into some big problems getting my name off of the LDS membership roles, and I'd welcome any assistance you could render. ...I am miserable over this and grow weary of petitioning them to respect my decision. In a conversation I had with "my bishop" last night, he refused to remove my name. He refused! As if it were his decision to make. He wielded his "authority" around and informed me that he was my "judge in Israel," and, well, I apologize. I'm sure you tire of listening to people rant and rave, but I really feel a little out of my league here. He's twice my age and male and obviously has no respect for me or my beliefs. I know that God does not care if my name is on their list, but it has become a matter of principle. Nov. 18, 1999 My wife was a mormon and resigned 7 years ago. We followed the procedures in one of your books to have her name removed and at first we had reply's from all whom we sent the letter too, but than they just dropped the issue. We use to call like the stake president and ask what was happening and he would say they were working on it but that is as far as we ever got. . . . just wondering if there is a way to really get them to remove her name? Nov. 18, 1999 Hi, I was wondering if you could help me. I live with my parents who are obsessively mormon and i wanted to take my name off their membership roll. I don't want to do it locally because they know a lot of people and I am afraid of having them find out. I know that you've had legal problems regarding this issue, but i just need a step in the right direction. Could you please help? [Sandra's note: Sorry, the Mormons say you must request your name removal through your local Bishop. You may have to wait until you live somewhere else.] Nov. 18, 1999 I would like to thank you both for your efforts to expose the "big lie" that is the LDS Church. I joined the church a little more than three years ago and allowed myself to be deceived and manipulated. The hardest thing for me has been to look back and see that the vast majority of my "brothers and sisters" were just fair weather friends. I can remember walking into church and having a swarm of well wishers gather around to say hello, express their love for me, and tell me how wonderfully I was progressing in the gospel. After going through the temple, I had many more unanswered questions than I ever thought possible, and found out in no time how fickle all of my "friends" really were. It is amazing to me that in a matter of a few short months people seem to have lost my phone number and forgotten that I still live in the neighborhood. I guess on one hand I am grateful that I am not being hounded by the ward members to come back into the fold, but it hurts to know that the people I truly trusted and loved only loved the Mormon me. It is also frustrating to know that if you think for yourself in the church, everybody acts like you are the Antichrist. The icing on the cake for me was when my children were not even invited to the ward Halloween party this year. I do not claim to have all of the answers, and I am far from an expert in church doctrine, but I can't help but be reminded of a verse I heard over and over in the church that really describes the way a lot of these people live... (I'll try not to screw it up) "they are near to me with their lips, but far away with their hearts" I do not recall ever being exposed to as much hypocrisy and back stabbing as I was in the LDS church. Good luck to you in your court fight over the church handbook. It seems to me to be a witch hunt. I don't know what your financial situation is like, but if you end up establishing a legal defense fund, let me know. Again, thank you for the personal time that you guys spend trying to shed light on the way the church really operates. Nov. 19, 1999 I am a Christian (non-mormon) living in a very highly mormon-concentrated area of the U.S. (Eastern Idaho), as I hear you do as well. I am only 20 years of age, but I have read some of your books. I wanted to say that I hope you keep the fight going. As I'm sure you know, growing up here and being of a Christian faith was not always easy. I have to work harder to make decent friends that I can trust, and work harder to accelerate in the work force. Constantly listening to people brag about their ward and so on has, on many occasions, brought me down. I have only recently gained the strength to ignore it and move on. You, Sandra, are the voice of us. Please keep fighting. Nov. 19, 1999 I am trying to have my name taken off church records. I called the main place in Salt Lake and was told to write a letter to my bishop. I did and he wrote back saying he forwarded it to the stake president who will sit on it for 30 days before sending it on. I wrote him and told him to send it immediately. He never responded to my letter. Should i contact him? Should i threaten them with getting a lawyer? I noticed you guys have been on the news lately, so i thought you would be able to advise me. [Sandra's note: Isn’t it amazing that you can join Mormonism at age eight but you can’t resign as an adult! Yes, write to the Stake President and demand that they send you a letter stating they have removed your membership. Try sending a letter of complaint to President Gordon Hinckley and one to the LDS Church Membership Department at 50 E. North Temple, Salt Lake City, UT. You can call the LDS Membership Department at 801-240-3500.] Nov. 19, 1999 Dear Sandra, I just want to thank you and your husband for this website. I am a 32 year old woman who was raised in the church from age three when my mother converted to the church. My mother became fanatical about the church and over the years developed her own ideas and interpretations. I have three brothers and a half-sister. Of all us kids, my youngest sister (age 20) is the only believer. However, none of us kids as any contact with our mother whatsoever. My brothers and I haven't spoken to or seen her in at least 10 years. Growing up, I always had a difficult time believing, things just didn't 'ring true' for me. Our mother literally forced the doctrines on us in such a way that I truly thought that something was wrong with me because I didn't believe in the church teachings. In fact, she instilled such a deep fear in us about leaving the church that for many years, I took every failure in my 'worldly' existence to be a punishment from God for not truly believing but merely going through the motions. One by one my mother disowned us, called us devil spawn and evil. She believed that God would not want her to have anything to do with us if we left the church. We left anyway. It took me a good five years to be a peace with that decision, not because I wanted to be in the church, but because I had been so brainwashed that I couldn't think for myself. Obviously, my mother has mental problems and she was verbally and physically abusive to us all the years growing up. All in the name of the Lord. Many times my brothers and I sought out these leaders, Bishops, YM/YW leaders, for help, only to be told that we must honor our parents and that it was our fault we were getting beaten. No one helped us. Instead, they made us feel like we were wrong to even discuss these things with them, to 'accuse' our mother of such things was dishonoring her. What a bunch of baloney. ...Please know that you are helping people every day and keep it up!! Nov. 20, 1999 Many of us have had a Mormon relative post genealogy, right or wrong, to one of IRI's databases. It's disconcerting to think that one's own family history can be claimed by a behemoth for exclusive use. They are free to copyright as many errors as they may wish, of course. But the rights to intellectual property travel more freely than that, and ultimately an intellectual property's value is found by those who learn from it the most. Why keep information from those for whom it is intended? So the outcome of your case, of course, will have significance to historians, to hobbyists, and to those interested in true freedom of information. As the Soviets found out when fax machines and e-mail were first invented, you cannot stifle the mind forever. Nov. 21, 1999 Subject: Recent legal decisions against your organization I find it interesting that you do not update your faithful with your legal problems. The truth shall set you free. Let everyone know that you have overstepped your bounds and you have been found very much in trouble. [Sandra's note: Since we put on our site links to the Salt Lake Tribune articles on our case I am wondering just what you feel we are hiding. We do not believe we violated copyright law. Stay tuned for future developments.] Nov. 21, 1999 Its amazing that Heavenly Father is so interested in earthly matters. Copyrights, Main Street, New temples, Conference Center, gay rights. The Savior must be Donald Trump! Where is the spiritual side of Mormonism? Revelations, spiritual out pouring, helping the poor and needy, an individuals growth? Hope you are all doing OK with the lawsuit. I am sure it is draining. Nov. 22, 1999 I will be praying for you and Jerald, that God would shield you from the latest onslaught of malicious Mormon Church litigators. Nov. 22, 1999 Tanners, I believe strongly in not just doing right things, but doing right things for right reasons. You appear to be doing wrong things for wrong reasons. I'd be curious to know what your motivations are? I think the quote, "people can leave the church, but the can't leave the church alone" applies here. There are many instances in the book of mormon which remind me of what you are doing -- specifically those Nephite decenters who caused so many problems. I only hope that for your sakes not many people are being led astray by your examples. As always, peace and forgiveness is available to those who repent -- I only hope you will avail yourselves of this principle before it's too late. Nov. 22, 1999 . . . I have been following your recent plight about a particular priesthood handbook. Reading the newspaper articles is how I found you on the web. I am a 42 year old man who was born and raised in western Idaho behind the "Zion Curtain". I cannot describe how it feels to know that I now have access to this resource. I have been visiting your site daily and will continue to do so. My positive thoughts are there for you each and every day as you continue your legal battle with the lawyers of "the one true church". DON'T GIVE UP!!! Nov. 22, 1999 Keep up the good work. The recent legal action may be a blessing as the newspapers are perking interest in people, like me looking for the Australian site. Pastor . . . Nov. 23, 1999 HI SANDRA I HEARD THE FIRST PART OF YOUR INTERVIEW ON KNIS (THE PILGRIM) RADIO HERE IN CARSON CITY TODAY, AND I HAD TO WRITE TO YOU! THANK YOU FOR YOUR BOLDNESS AND COMMITMENT TO REACHING THOSE LOST IN MORMONISM. I HAVE WORKED IN A CHRISTIAN BOOKSTORE, AND IT WAS ALWAYS INTERESTING TO SEE THE MORMON MISSIONARIES COME IN AND BROWSE THROUGH THE "CULT" SECTION OF THE BOOK SECTION AND FIND THE MORMON RELIGION THERE! I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING THE SECOND PART OF YOUR INTERVIEW WITH BILL FELTNER TOMORROW. I WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW YOU ON THE WEBSITE, AND BE PRAYING FOR GOD'S FAVOR (AND WILL) BE DONE WITH REGARD TO THE PERSECUTION YOU ARE UNDERGOING. BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER (AND I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW) IF YOU'RE NOT UNDERGOING PERSECUTION, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Nov. 23, 1999 For a couple who is so against the LDS church, it seems odd that there would be pictures of the Salt Lake Temple as a background on some of your pages. It just doesn't seem very consistent. I'm referring to the page about having ones name removed from the records of the church. Nov. 23, 1999 I am trying to get my name and my families name removed from the Mormon church. They refuse to act quickly. I have mailed several letters and phone calls nothing works. What can I do? I have contacted a lawyer but they say they can't do much. What do you suggest? Please help!!!!!! [Sandra's note: You might try writing the Bishop and tell him that if he does not send a letter within two weeks stating that they have removed your names from the records you will start a write-in campaign to the newspapers telling of the LDS Church's harassment of departing members. Send a copy to the LDS Church Membership Dept., 50 E. North Temple, Salt Lake City, UT.] Nov. 23, 1999 I guess you feel you need to do something with your life, and beating up on the LDS Church is your mission. In the mean time, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints keeps marching onward and upward, growing in every nation of the world. One hundred years from now no one will recall your name, but The LDS Church will still be growing. My God bless you, you need it, for Satan will not support you much longer. Nov. 24, 1999 I am a past customer of yours, and actually I still have a US postal service mailbag under my desk from the last time you sent me some stuff! I am writing to encourage you guys, and feel that maybe with the nasty court action I've just heard about, you could do with some prayer. I visited your website in August and was fascinated by it... you have done a great job. I searched using alta vista and found to my dismay that someone LDS had taken the same meta string as you use, and put up a denigrating site that appears next to yours in the listing :( I was brought to the Lord Jesus in late 1986 by the lady I married in 1988. Nov. 25, 1999 I am active LDS, am not nor will not become involved in any censorship of the Internet, and wish I'd found your sight before the court injunctions. Nov. 26, 1999 Hey Sandra, I was sitting here getting steamed-up about the Church attacking its critics under the guise of "copyright infringement." It occurred to me, that while we might say that this is an issue of First Amendment Rights, the LDS church seems to considers it a "First Avengement Rights" issue! Just a thought (smile) Nov. 27, 1999 I am s student from Poland. Thank you. Your site hlped me very much in writting an essay about mormons. Greetings from Poland Nov. 27, 1999 It is not merely the Tanners who are on trial, but it is the freedom of the press under the U. S. Copyright "Fair Use" doctrine. Will the LDS, a religious organization which enjoys U. S. tax exemption, be given a unique exemption from the public's knowledge of its operations as an organization? I personally could care less about what the LDS Handbook has to say about anything, but I do care tremendously about the Tanners and others having the right under U. S. Copyright Law to the "Fair Use" of copyrighted materials. So far as we know the facts of this case, the Tanners are 100% within their rights under the Law. Nov. 28, 1999 As a membert of the LDS Church, my family and I will pray for you. Nov. 28, 1999 I look forward to exploring your site - if it weren't for the fact it was 11:30 pm, I'd start tonight! I've had an interest in the LDS Church since the Temple in St. Louis opened. It has become sort of a side interest with a lot of questions! I've read quite a few books, one of particularly interesting information was The Mormon Murders, which is where I first learned of the Tanners. I was pleased to find their names again in the book Mormon America [Web-editor: see Mormon America], which I just recently came upon. Nov. 29, 1999 Subject: Tanners on judgement day What degree of Damnation will The Tanners receive? [Sandra's note: When I stand before God I will plead John 3:16 and Eph. 2:8-9. A sinner saved by God’s grace.] Nov. 29, 1999 A little article in our Arizona Republic newspaper caught my attention because you seem to be in trouble because you tell Mormons how to get their name removed from the church membership rolls. My husband, . . . , was a Mormon for many years. Before we were married he accepted Christ as his saviour, married me, joined Palmcroft Baptist Church, . . . and is very active in the church. The church office wrote to the Bishop of his ward telling them to remove his name as he was now a member of a Baptist church. However, from time to time we still get mail from them and even phone calls asking him to return. Then I spotted your article, and would like to know how we can be sure his name is off of the rolls. [Sandra's note: He can phone the LDS Church Membership Dept. at 801-240-3500 and ask if his name is still listed as a member. The LDS keep your name and address even after you leave in hopes they can get you to come back. Just tell the Bishop you do not want any more calls or visits.] Nov. 29, 1999 I stumbled across your website while doing a search for something else. I and some other Campus Crusade students from Westminster College came to your home and helped collate some of your publications over 25 years ago! I now live in Olympia, WA and still have occasion to use the information I learned from you so many years ago. I am sorry to hear that you are having to deal with a lawsuit -- but not surprised. I am inspired by your faithfulness to continue the "good fight" in SLC. I will be praying for you and checking your website to see how things are progressing. [Sandra's note: Thanks for writing. You wouldn't recognize the place now. The ministry bought the old house next door and enlarged it for the bookstore and offices.] Nov. 29, 1999 Heard about the LDS action against your web site. My prayers go with you! I've always heard that when your throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one you hit yelps the loudest. This is not to say that all LDS members are canines, but, I have met a few that tempted me to wish a lack of salvation on them. I also have had some very good friends who were LDS. It was interesting trying to stay their friend with 'Flaming Baptists' around. <g>. But, God has called us to love not hate those that oppose themselves. At any rate, I have to ask, what do they have to hide? . . . So, if they have nothing to hide, and money is not the issue (the real #1 purpose of the copyright law) then they should allow the entire work to be available on the internet. You can then reference into the work at your pleasure. Again, free speech is an issue. As citizens in the United States we have the right to speak our mind, provided we are speaking the truth. Only the lowest of cowards is afraid of the (whole) truth. Perhaps, I should write the LDS? As ministers of the Gospel of Christ we have direct orders from the King of Kings to speak the truth in Love, and anyone claiming 'christianity' (even if it is counterfeit) is fair game for the Prophets Tongue and Exposure. . . . My two cents worth. Still, if this ruling stands will it be possible to expose Sin in the future? Lord help us! Nov. 29, 1999 You poor, poor, thing. Nov. 29, 1999 Dear sandra sorry to hear you have so much trouble its terrible when you cant do free speech. |
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